tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post7043108434305567531..comments2023-10-11T04:34:56.433-07:00Comments on His Barking Dog: Caught Inside a Seminar with a Consultant Man Again!Dennis E. McFaddenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07580173031351978626noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-77116483475520873662008-07-28T13:12:00.000-07:002008-07-28T13:12:00.000-07:00My two cents...One thing I have noticed about spit...My two cents...<BR/>One thing I have noticed about spititually sound, alive growning (not just in numbers) churches is the necessity of two components no matter what form they take-<BR/>One: a small group type place to be intimate, transparent and accountable, and a large group celebration for worship (for lack of a better word) and fellowship. OKAY okay you got me there are things I'm missing that function within the two but you get the general idea. Love and marriage go to gether like a horse and carriage. Let me tell you brother, you can't have one without the other....Jerry Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058985804830675606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-13182209805413226762008-05-06T06:24:00.000-07:002008-05-06T06:24:00.000-07:00Oh, Mama, can this really be the end,To be stuck i...Oh, Mama, can this really be the end,<BR/>To be stuck inside of Mobile<BR/>With the Memphis blues again.revdrronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05003474866079969825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-75619310771514891782008-05-02T13:56:00.000-07:002008-05-02T13:56:00.000-07:00If it's any consolation, not all emerging church f...If it's any consolation, not all emerging church folks are anti-institutional church. I've just finished my ThM thesis on emerging church ecclesiology (looking at 7 specific ECs), so I know of at least 7 :-)...actually, many ECs are quite organized (even "institutional): they preach sermons, have leaders, etc.<BR/><BR/>On another front, I'm in the midst of a wee bit of research on Frank Viola's so-called "organic church"--no leaders, no pastors, no order of service. He does criticize many of the just-gather-at-Starbucks folks, though.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I'm rambling a bit...<BR/><BR/>(btw, if you'd like to peruse a copy of the thesis, I have a pdf of the 143 page wonder)Laura Springerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10920102860381840156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-86981959878210995752008-04-29T08:26:00.000-07:002008-04-29T08:26:00.000-07:00Bob,I would have felt better if he at least belong...Bob,<BR/><BR/>I would have felt better if he at least belonged to a church! Here is a guy who has given up on the institutional church lecturing pastors and lay leaders on how to "do church."Dennis E. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580173031351978626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-60925674817203497382008-04-28T16:07:00.000-07:002008-04-28T16:07:00.000-07:00Thanks, I did and do sympathize with your central ...Thanks, I did and do sympathize with your central objection and the price of such "wisdom." It's easy to critique the church if we're someone who doesn't carry responsibility for one. <BR/><BR/>I hope Mark is right if he's implying that we rigid literalists may be reacting to grossly provocative Starbucksian hyperbole that everyone assumed would be demythologized. Even in that best case scenario I too would rather assume a speaker is telling me what he literally advocates.Bob Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032215201725666301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-4126299571572730112008-04-28T12:39:00.000-07:002008-04-28T12:39:00.000-07:00Bob,Maybe I was to unclear. Obviously I affirm sp...Bob,<BR/><BR/>Maybe I was to unclear. Obviously I affirm spiritual formation over "church growth." My beef was with the idea that a "church consultant" would charge thousands of dollars to say: sell your buildings, skip stated worship, and just hang out at Starbucks (one of his examples). It is a little bit like paying a doctor to tell you to quit going to doctors.Dennis E. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580173031351978626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-8011313688006039092008-04-28T12:02:00.000-07:002008-04-28T12:02:00.000-07:00Dennis,Your discomfort reminded me of mine at the ...Dennis,<BR/><BR/>Your discomfort reminded me of mine at the address we discussed in 2006. My take here is too second hand since I've missed every invite to hear Reggie. <BR/><BR/>But since 40 years of seminars also took a toll on me, I tend to sympathize, and agree with your warning that losing the corporate life of the church could ultimately weaken God's kingdom. <BR/><BR/>As one who finds Constantine more problematic, many "themes" you cited do sound more Biblical to me than much CEO and "church growth" talk I endured. My gullibility may lie in my being less satisfied with traditional approaches (reformed or otherwise).<BR/><BR/>Mark's inquiry about conversations and how to develop leaders is a profound one. As Dave implied, I wonder if a felt need for real change kindles our receptivity.Bob Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032215201725666301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17154648.post-76417409357835322012008-04-27T20:52:00.000-07:002008-04-27T20:52:00.000-07:00Hi Dennis,It was good to talk with you briefly in ...Hi Dennis,<BR/><BR/>It was good to talk with you briefly in the courtyard yesterday. I too was not sure where Reggie was really heading with so much over the top hyperbole disparaging to the traditional/program driven church. On the other hand I felt much was said that will give our TM conversations about vision, direction, leadership formation and spiritual power within our churches a push.<BR/><BR/>I would like to meet with you at Atherton to get the official nickel tour we've talked about as well as take you to lunch for a conversation about where theological education in regard to pastoral leadership development is headed in the future. Raising up and preparing pastoral leaders for the church of tomorrow must become high on our TM agenda in these days. I'd like to pick your brain, brother!<BR/><BR/>What kind of dates do you have available in the second half of May? <BR/><BR/>Mark Lambermark lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08446174947589782119noreply@blogger.com